Oculus founder Palmer Luckey, who left the company back in March, has backed a crowdfunding campaign for Revive—a hack which allows HTC Vive owners to play games from the Oculus platform—to the tune of $2,000 per month to support its continued development. The action comes in stark contrast to the closed ecosystem approach of the Oculus organization.

Revive is a free hack which allows users of the HTC Vive to play games from the Oculus platform, despite the platform not officially supporting any headset except for the Rift on desktop. Revive became central to discussion of Oculus’ approach to building a VR platform when Oculus modified their DRM in a way that prevented Revive from functioning, thus blocking Vive users from playing Oculus games. Community outcry over the decision eventually led Oculus to reverse that particular stance on DRM, saying that in the future they wouldn’t use headset verification as part of the platform’s security protections.

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Since then, Revive has continued to work quite swimmingly, allowing Vive owners to play otherwise Oculus-exclusive games from the platform, unofficially. However, official support for Vive on the Oculus platform has not materialized, and Oculus continues to fund some VR content with exclusivity requirements that keeps the content from other platforms for a period of time, an approach which has proved controversial within the VR community.

Today Oculus founder Palmer Luckey made a $2,000 monthly pledge to the Revive Patreon campaign, a crowdfunding platform which allows people to offer continuous support for ongoing projects. The pledge, which Road to VR has confirmed to be authentic, means that Luckey will pay $2,000 per month in ongoing support for Revive, $24,000 annually, if he lets the pledge continue indefinitely.

Luckey’s choice to back the project comes seemingly in stark contrast to that of his former company. Exactly why he made the decision is so far unclear (he declined to comment), but one speculation is that his personal beliefs about whether or not the Oculus platform should be closed to other headsets differs from that of other decision makers at Facebook/Oculus.

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According to the Revive Patreon campaign, the creator said that if the campaign hit the present top-level goal of $1,500 per month (now exceeded), they would pay the $3,500 fee to “join the Khronos Group as an Associate Member and help shape the OpenXR standard,” a widely supported in-development standard that aims to define how VR hardware should interoperate with VR software. Luckey’s pledge ought to buy the Revive creator a seat at that table, but it’s not clear how much influence they might have compared to the likes of major players like Oculus, Google, NVIDIA, Samsung, Valve, and others who are part of the initiative.

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  • Firestorm185

    This is pretty cool for Revive people! ^^…. But I can feel Palmer haters won’t be far behind to voice their opinions. Oh well. That’s what freedom of speech is for, I guess. XD

    • dogtato

      ha, yeah, I’m just waiting for the “google oculus trump” guy to figure out how to deal with this

      • Get Schwifty!

        IKR – strangely absent –

        • Firestorm185

          Pretty funny indeed. xD

      • Caven

        Palmer Luckey did a thing! Google ReVive Oculus Trump.

      • That’d be Bernard Yee.

    • I mean this a great thing that he did but doesn’t magically erase the past. People have good ideas and bad ones. This is a great idea the past one was a horrible idea. Most people are not Palmer haters as you call them they criticized the man for choices he made that people did not agree with. This I’m sure a lot of people can agree with and just as harsh as he was criticized he should also be praised for making a right choice this time. Just because you criticizes someone’s decisions doesn’t mean you are a hater. That is a pretty ridiculous and simplistic way to address criticism.

      • Firestorm185

        Well said, One Punch, well said. tuche`. While I can’t say I 100% agreed with people who criticized his actions before, the ability for people to not 100% hate someone for one action is a good trait to have indeed. Especially if they can come back and give praise when it’s due. I totally agree there. ^^

        • Jad

          It’s simple. He made great stuff (Oculus Rift, yeah!), dumb stuff (paying meme-making haters, booo) and now he made a good decision (money for Revive, well done). I still don’t like him because of the boo-stuff, but that doesn’t change the other things. It’s a bit like listening to Richard Wagner, great music, asshole person.

      • Kev

        I’m not sure what “past” you are referring to. I don’t have to agree politically with the dude and that has *zero to do with what he does with VR. Obviously there is a large management structure at OVR that controlled the actions of the company so we can’t exactly hold him personally for that either. Give the guy a break, sheesh.

        • kool

          Palmer was the one who sold out his Kickstarter backers for the FB walled garden occulus is in now…

          • Kev

            That’s ridiculous. When you sell your company there is no way to know for sure how the new owners will organize it. The KS backers got their oculus CV1’s for FREE so they weren’t exactly sold out either. One has to imaging they would sell something eventually. Your argument also has nothing to do with the subject that the advancement of VR and someone’s politics are two different things.

          • kool

            It ain’t free if they backed it. People assumed he was talking about palmers politics, but he made some questionable deals as well. No shit VR and politics are different. They just used his politics to push him out. It should be illegal, but money talks.

        • Nobody talked about disagree politically with his views. Where are you getting this from? I am referring to his donation to a meme propaganda group. I can disagree with someone politically but certainly will not take lightly that he is taking direct action to push ideas that go against my well-being.

          • Kev

            Heh more ridiculous stuff – you say nobody talking about disagreeing with him politically then you immediately bring up a political meme propaganda group. (completely political) Then you refer how it goes against your “well-being” – also totally political. Of course many would argue it would help your well being immensely. Bottom line your post is totally and completely political and nothing whatsoever to do with VR or the VR industry.

          • Wait you can differentiate between disagreeing in ideas and taking action about a political cause? Are you serious? So you think that if Pete who calmly disagrees with lowering wages with his friend Mark should feel the same way when Mark pays the company’s boss to lower Pete’s wages? Many can argue that lowering Pete’s wage is for his well being as he now has to work two jobs which might give him more work experience. Pete in the other hand thinks that Mark is an a**hole. What Palmer did had nothing to do with the VR industry, people got angry at him for the actions he took not for his contributions to the VR industry. I’m not sure if you understand the definition of the word political and how it affect’s everyone. The point you make assumes that what he did is okay and people should accept it. That’s just plain wrong.

      • Mr. New Vegas

        What choices? Are you one of the crybabies that cant separate work/friendship from politics? Its not a whole package you know, you dont choose friends or employees based on if they agree with you on everything, politics, health care, religion, etc.
        Only Liberal crybabies cant separate those things.

        • Bryan Ischo

          Only weak minded fools take every opportunity they can to push the liberal/conservative false dichotomy.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            Someone trying too hard to be a samrtass.

          • Bryan Ischo

            Yeah, you’re pretty clearly never going to write anything worth reading. Welcome to my blocklist.

        • ummm…

          which decision was work, and which was politics? everything is political

          • Mr. New Vegas

            Supporting Mr.Trump has nothing to do with his work and should have no effect on his life since its not a criminal activity.

          • ummm…

            and acting against facebook and the ethic that they act on isnt political? and he supported a subversive PAC not trump

          • Mr. New Vegas

            Acting against facebook? WYou mean that he did something against the fake corporate ethics of facebook? No company can force people into their political views.

            NO, the problem was that this PAC was pro-Trump, if it was pro Bernie o hilary he would be national hero and uploaded on facebook and twitter.
            The fact is that he supported someone whom the liberals didn’t liked.
            AND, whats most important is that it was completely LEGAL, so far you are not crossing that line it shouldnt have any effect on you.

          • ummm…

            yeah for sure i think he had the right to donate to that PAC, who supports trump politically – but its about political expediency. They would have supported any republican most likely.

            why is facebooks ethic fake? i dont understand.

            I dont really care what palmer did. I think Trump is a loser. I think money (especially inherited) doesn’t translate to integrity or effectiveness. If you had a sizable amount you’d know that.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            facebook has no ethics its corporation, their ethics represents whats popular on the internet, if tomorrow the majority decides that its popular to throw gays off the roof, their “ethics” will change to represent that.

            You make no sense, its not about money, Hilary wasnt poor either, her family has billions, she just made them in shady deals.
            Trump won because people got tired of liberal politics, they got tired of being left out, of everything to be concentrated on big cities, of City liberals constantly calling rural folks trash, racist and otehr names, they got tried of disregard for law:, WTF kind of shit is that, I dont like that law so i will ignore it, I disagree with immigration law so ill do everything illegally and than demand full rights: YOUR A CRIMINAL
            Its funny how liberals openly support breaking the laws and none of them checked Mexican immigration laws which are tens times harsher.

          • The Pet Cow

            “Trump won because people got tired of liberal politics, they got tired of being left out.” – You mean the man that is going to take away their healthcare (since the majority of people on the ACA are Trump supporters? The man that was so concerned about their jobs that he hasn’t done anything to bring them back? Trump inherited all his money and hasn’t worked a day in his life for anything. And people say that he is “the man of the people” when in reality, you’re just puppets that fell into his little game to make more money. He doesn’t even play President, he just uses the title and lets everyone else do all the work.

            Remember that company in Indiana that he “saved” all those peoples jobs? Yeah – They still ended up closing and moving all their jobs. Did he step in a second time to stop it? No. Cause he’s a liar and uses people.

            You’re a sucker, a fool, and you fell for the biggest scam this country has ever seen.

            Also – Interesting on how you say that Liberals “openly support breaking laws”, when the Conservatives in power right now break laws all the time, we confront them with facts and they just go on there merry way. Let’s look at all the shit that Trump has done, so far – He’s breaking laws by using private property to host Government functions, and is making money off it. He didn’t put his businesses into a trust, and is still making money of it. He threatens witnesses in public to try and harass them to not testify against him. I could go on and on…

            And – TRUMP – himself has even made racist and sexist remarks. But it’s okay for HIM to make fun of and harass people, but it’s not okay if a LIBERAL does it, right? Look at the tweet that he sent out the other day, that even REPUBLICANS told him to shut up.

            What ever happened to that whole ANTI-PR thing he was pushing. “People should be able to say anything they want to.” And telling Liberals to “find a safe place.” Now all of a sudden, ever conservitive is all, “Wahhhh, don’t make fun of me, and waahahhhh, be nice to Trump, he’s our President.” Yeah, like you assholes ever respected Obama. You’re just getting the same thing we had to put up with for 8 years.

            It’s almost like you guys are like etch-a-sketchs and you go to bed at night, shake your heads and forget everything that happened the day before.

            Go find your safe-place, Snowflake.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            None of it is true, typical copy-paste liberal BS, just like Russia, Russia, Russia.
            So far every single riot and violence been done by the left and your “antifa” and blm thugs.
            You been crying that Trump called for violence, Trump raysict, Trump sexist, muh feelings… Where is this republican violence?
            Who shot republican politicians? A Bernie voter
            ‘Ex-Reporter Charged With Making Bomb Threats Against Jewish Sites’

            Who, who is this guy? a republican? Trump voter? NOPE Juan Thompson, a Black BLM and Bernie supporter

            Who shot cops from the roofs? BLM

            Who burned shops, attack Trump voters, conservative and gay speakers, who threw molotvs at cops number of rallies? “Antifa!”

            So where is this republican violence you so afraid of that you

            ‘must resist muh president’, “love trumps pussy hats”, ‘rapefuges welcome’.. sorry got confused with so much regressive BS slogans in the last year

            Oh what about CNN? Wasn’t that enough for you?! 3 got kicked out, its a giant proof that liberal media lies and pushed fake agendas.

            Without the Republicans there wont be Obama, whom do you think also voted for him, how he got a a majority but Clinton didnt? But keep calling them raYcsits…

            Racist and Sexist, yep keep copy pasting, keep trolling.

            He can use any facilities he wants, we have no idea if his company charges for them. If you have any FACTUAL proof like bills, please provide.

            People that voted for him, knew exactly about his health care plans thats the reason lots of them voted, so saying he cheated someone is dishonest, hes been open about that from day one.

            He brought more investments into USA in his first month than Obongo in a year, apple got scared and started building factory in USA, asian investors pledged billions, coal industry workers pray to him every day, car companies staying in USA, what happened to one company is nothing on the big picture.

            You been making fun of republicans all 8 years of Obama, why do you think people got enough and voted for Trump, because of YOU and YOUR policies.

            So if he gets another 4 years, thats on you, keep calling white people racists, supporting terrorists like blm and hamas, shutting up people on campus, see where it gets you.
            Some of liberal twitetr heroes want a revolution, anotehr civil, war, its really funny: Who do you think owns most weapons? The Safe Space snowflakes? Nope

            P.S. Calling me snowflake just proves your insecurity, its like calling Calling republican a snowflake is like calling regressive liberal alt-right, or straight man gay.
            Some names are reserved for some people and situations, snowflake is reserved for crybaby liberals.

        • Jad

          You disqualified yourself from any further discussion already. You obviously are a hater of everything not alt-right.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            You disquieted yourself from the world, live in your imaginary echo chamber, death scared of information.

            The inquisition of the dark ages evolved into modem Liberals.

          • daveinpublic

            Crazy how people get so caught up in these politics. People crying and feeling afraid because Trump won. Don’t worry, most people voted for him because we can’t afford another $20 trillion in debt.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            I call it Victimhood marathon.
            In my time when someone played a victim without actual reason, we called them wimps and crybabies.
            Now every Regressive tries to be the BIGGEST victim on the planet, they get scared of their own shadow, always afraid and feel insecure.
            Just from last week, two gay Jews attended gay pride and had Jewish gay flags, they were kicked out of the pride because people complained that they FELT UNSAFE because they had star of david on the rainbow flag.
            apparently being gay is now exclusive club only for the right type of gay and Jews unwelcome.
            What happens on campus is a circus, petting rooms and safe rooms: Im speechless.
            Young adults in ARMY AGE that suppose to defend the country in case of war, flee to stuffed animals and puppies when some lecturer comes to campus to give a lecture that their little 2-peas in jar mind cant comprehend and that they dont even have to attend.

          • The Pet Cow

            You need to look in the mirror; you’re the one that is a sheep following the herd to slaughter. Only an uneducated idiot would support Trump. Oh – I’m sorry snowflake, did I offend you?

          • Mr. New Vegas

            The Pet Cow is a prime example of stuck up liberal that believes god speaks trough his farts.

            http://i.imgur.com/n8umjWj.png

        • Is this a joke? Politics is not separated from anything in life. It is a whole package. Do not confuse agreeing or disagreeing with someone with being against his political actions. I might disagree with someone and be okay with it but when they take direct action in something that affects me then you could be certain that if he doesn’t change his ways he will definitely be no friend of mine. Also you assume any one on the internet who challenges your views is a Liberal? If you separate politics from everything thing else in life you are very naive. It affect absolutely everything. Can’t live a normal life if the goverment puts you in prison. Can’t get healthcare if the goverment doesn’t allow you. Can’t practice a religion if the goverment bans it. Snowflakes like you live in a bubble created by other hardworking people and don’t realize that in many countries you don’t have all the choices that american’s fought hard for through political movements. If you had gone to war you would have a little clue of what fighting to defends the politics that allow Americans to live in freedom feels like. So yes politics cannot be separated from life itself. That’s why our army gives their lives for it.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            You have reading comprehension issues.
            I wasn’t talking about governmental services and relationship with the government but day to day life, job, friends…

            Its the millennial generation that started campaigns to fire Republicans from jobs by scaring the employer.
            I dont care if my gay barber vote for whoever he wants I will still get my haircut from him, BUT the millennial started this trend to boycott republican and pro-christian business it never happened to a such level before, people had personal boycotts if a company cheated their workers, used substandard product, put “poison” in the food, but never to the current level lets make a list of every republican business and christian business and people that employ such people and boycott them.
            Liberals today are afraid to even meet people with different ideas, colleges were places where you could hear different opinions and ideas but now they riot when ANYONE who isn’t part of their echo chamber tries to give a lecture to the interested party (meaning it has nothing to do with them, they are not forced to come and listen), the CryBullies withe riot and damage property and attack lecturers or/and run into their safe spaces with petting animals and fluffy toys.
            Insanity! How such “people” can live in the adult world? They used to live in a echo chamber of ideas, now they come and see people with million different ideas and opinions and they get violent, scared and angry, attack everyone who thinks different because Obviously if he/she isn’t part of their echo chamber he is a bigot and raYsist for sure.
            No one is safe, they attack women, gays, minority, just couple of days ago, the crybullies attacked ex-muslims, apparently THEY know better whats going on in muslim countries even thou they never been there and whats Islamophobia and whats not.
            They fake as fake can be, on one side they try to defend weak groups, but in reality they use them as shields, because when these weak people suddenly stop being weak and move up the chain, its OK to attack them because they bigots now.
            Dont talk about otehr countries, because you probably never been farther than Canada, what do you know about other countries? Tell me about the evil Russians that want to enslave you and takeaway your rainbow flag.
            The last time America went to war to defend its freedoms was before our lifetime, now its chest beating, fist pumping commercial wars to show the world whose the boss.
            Im not anti, on the contrary its fine by me, I think USA should of actually stayed in Iraq and actually used the Oil, which in reality it never did, all the conspiracy nuts talking about Oil wars never checked which countries actually lease the fields, surpsie surpsie countries that never fired a bullet lease more oil fields than USA and UK by a LOT, mostly China and Russia.
            Thats patriotic BS, US army quit being patriotic after Vietnam, its Professional army, most people from hard families and migrants, some cant even read come to get a nice paycheck, save money and to pay for their education and housing, very few manage to make a carrier out of it, the only difference between US army and the PMCs is budged and that PMC dont need to fake patriotism, they came to make money.
            Again, im not against, I fully support it, one problem thou, with every years the Marjory of soldiers are not “native Americans” but migrants, its a foreigners army that have no aligence, if real war happens do you think they will stay to defend uncle Sam or run home to their families?
            So called native Americans the millennial generation dont want to hear anything about the “evil corporate us army”, homeland, patriotism (they despise it and consider evil and toxic), masculinity, manhood, mans duty etc and prefer to dress like girls and drink ‘green chay lattes’ for 10$ in the nearest Starbucks

            P.S. English is not my native so please avoid grammar comments, it is what it is.

          • I can see that you have no fucking clue about the U.S. military and most of the crap you write here is pretty offensive to soldiers out there dying in the name of stopping terrorism. I happen to have served in Iraq and now on a base in Japan. Where do you get these fake news that tell you that the Majority of soldiers are immigrants? I am in the military and at my base there’s barely 3 Hispanic guys while the rest are all born in America and children of men and women born in America. Maybe you are one of those who think that the real “native Americans” are the blonde, pale white Americans because while we have plenty of them in the military base we also have plenty of black and brown soldiers who descend from more than 5 generations of people born in america. Racist media and people like you who spread the lies saying our war heroes are immigrants are the most ignorant unpatriotic bastards in America. You do not deserve to be protected. I have nothing further to say after reading such ignorant take on the heroes that are giving their lives for your freedom. You can’t even speak English yet you are ignorant enough to offend the U.S. war heroes. You must be one of the so call “alt right” that don’t give a shit about their country and only complain how everybody else sucks instead of standing up and doing something for yourself.

  • ✨EnkrowX✨

    I feel like it’s a little loaded to call anything that’s not steam a closed platform.
    Luckey even said himself that they wanted to officially support the Vive in their store, but Valve wouldn’t give them the code they needed to make it happen.

    • benz145

      It’s closed in the sense that Oculus is the final gatekeeper of which headsets can or cannot access the games on their system whereas Steam is architected to allow anyone’s headset to tap into the content on their store.

      • Get Schwifty!

        it is, but there is no denying Vive gets first play there due to the partnership between Valve and HTC. Mechanically, yes they allow any hardware, but there’s no denying they have an inherent interest in which way they would like you to go, at least not that I can see.

    • NooYawker

      Any game on steam can be played on the oculus. Oculus games need to be run through revive to be played on the Vive. Why does Oculus need steams code when Steam doesn’t need oculus’s code?

      • Get Schwifty!

        Simply because Oculus needs to establish their own branding without having to fight through the noise of Steam/HTC’s domination of Steam. Too many people still perceive this as a hardware-on-PC question and it’s anything but.

        • The Pet Cow

          It is a hardware on PC issue.

          That would be like your PS4 only working with Sony TVs. Or buying a keyboard that would only work in some applications.

          The VR Headset is a peripheral. Nothing more.

          And the Vive does not dominate on steam. They have one link on the front page. When you go into the Virtual Reality section on Steam, there aren’t any advertisements for the Vive or any promotions. It even says at the top, and I quote: “Browse VR titles for the HTC Vive, Oculus Rift and OSVR headsets.” If they were only pushing the Vive, would they even bother mentioning the Rift?

          Also – When you click on a VR title, it lists the compatibilities. You can even sort by which headset you have.

          HTC / Valve wants to PUSH VR – regardless of what headset you have. Walled off gardens / exclusives only hurt the consumers. That’s why a lot of console exclusives aren’t there anymore, most studios found they make more money if they can sell to everyone.

          • Get Schwifty!

            You are missing the bigger picture – HTC and Vive are fairly partnered up – if you doubt this I think you need to do a little more reading and observing. Yes, you can see Oculus as an option on some games, that’s not the point – its the fact they are effectively in bed together… which means Oculus (as a Facebook property trying to establish brand recognition) now has to hope its fates of software delivery are not impacted by whatever whims happen with Valve, some of which can be due to their partnership with HTC. Valve has had input into the Vive and no question they see them as a partner. How you can fail to appreciate this by merely pointing out details of the GUI are beyond me. Please think a bit deeper about all the variables here.

            As to Oculus usefulness as a purchase for Facebook it goes waaay beyond any question of hardware. PC fans (I am one btw) are used to this idea of “open platform”. The problem comes in when it behooves a company to not make everything 100% “open” because they have a different strategy in mind that in reality has NOTHING TO DO with the PC per se, it just happens to be the hardware of the moment in a bigger picture. Sorry you cannot see or appreciate the market reality here.

    • Cl

      I’m pretty sure that’s not how it happened. Oculus said they would allow vive if they made vive work with Oculus api and they said no. All Oculus needs to do is support open vr in their store which they won’t do. They even blocked revive at one point and only allowed it again because people complained.

    • Caven

      I find that hard to believe. The code is available from Valve’s repository on Github with no login required. If any random VR developer can make an app that sends an image to an OpenVR-compatible headset, why can’t Oculus?

  • Bartholomew

    Thanks to ReVive annoying Valve fanboys can play on their overpriced “HTC Vive Best HMD Ever Blah Blah Blah” many great Oculus games. Without it they can only play SteamVR sh*tty indie and crap tech demos. LOL

    • NooYawker

      What a sad post.

      • Bartholomew

        What about Vive owners on reddit threaten to pirate Lone Echo because it’s not on Steam? https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/6k1kdp/lone_echo_won_the_game_critics_award_for_best_vr/djiu9kx/

        • So?

          If the devs wanted their money they would have made it for Vive as well. They know full well how heated things are w/ exclusivity and expensive VR headsets. Doubt they expect Vive folks to buy Rift because of their game or other games or expect money from all of them due to a hack which has it’s errors and an unknown future.

          Don’t see the issue here.

          • Get Schwifty!

            Actually virtually all the heat is on the Vive side… things are not nearly as hot as you think…

        • NooYawker

          Reddit is full of nuts. You want to act nutty too, reply to those nuts on reddit.

      • Get Schwifty!

        It is, but given all the shit-posting equivalents by some Vive owners can you really blame him?

        • NooYawker

          LOL, yes I can. It’s pretty stupid that you’re actually trying to defend him.

          • Get Schwifty!

            You really think so? I’m surprised at that NooYawker… you know me better than that. I’m pretty fair, but even I tire of the ad hominen constant attacks on everything Oculus does so it doesn’t surprise me when someone else speaks up about it. I don’t agree with the tone or language used, but given how much bitching there is about it when people claim to have the superior hardware and platform (Steam) the focus on the exclusives under Oculus is a little perturbing. In effect it’s a “you guys suck but I am so entitled I want access” attitude that gets tiring over time. If people were THAT upset about exclusives then don’t buy anything Oculus is involved with, hardware OR software…. then exclusives are a non-issue. FWIW, it pisses me that we have so-called “open software” on Steam and yet some developers turn their nose up at Oculus support full well knowing those users have access to Steam. I understand choosing not to sell through Oculus Home in favor of “open”, but I can’t say it holds when you put your software out in a platform supposedly devoted to the idea then exclude some consumers from it, its just hypocritical and punishes consumers over politics with a company the devs don’t like. At least Oculus is up-front about what platforms they support directly, and tolerate allowing outside access via Revive.

          • NooYawker

            It goes both ways. It’s one thing to try to make a point like you do but his post is flat out nonsense. Don’t defend that stuff.

          • Get Schwifty!

            You did see my first reply to him? It doesn’t sounds like it…

      • yag

        Why is it sad to complain about fanboys who are a real detriment to VR ? Are you one of them ?

        • NooYawker

          Obviously you are.

    • J.C.

      Comments like this make me kinda hope Bethesda hardware locks Rifts out of their games.

      • Bartholomew

        I hope for you Oculus don’t blocks ReVive…

        • nebošlo

          Isn’t the point of ReVive to circumvent their blocks?

          • Get Schwifty!

            It is but Oculus essentially looks the other way to allow Revive to work… they could in theory make it totally unusable or at the very least significantly more difficult to use.

          • bschuler

            Which is why this is all bull. The nice guy in the van with candy might just want to give you a ride to your friends house… but you can hop in.. I am not. My parents taught me to stick with those you know.

          • Get Schwifty!

            LOL if you say so…

          • NooYawker

            Remember when Oculus blocked revive from working? How’d that work out?

          • Get Schwifty!

            I do – and they could have stuck with it if they chose to. The point is, they didn’t –

        • NooYawker

          They did once. The reason oculus back tracked is because revive could have hacked it and made the game DRM free. You think they don’t want to block revive? They’re just scared to.
          Did you ever ask yourself, why revive even exists?

        • The Pet Cow

          They can block it all they want, I don’t want to give those entitled fucks any money.

      • Justos

        Chill out with the fanboy nonsense

      • nebošlo

        Yes because businesses can’t wait to shrink their customer base. Great thinking.

    • Wonder what the point of this statement is

      More fanboyism anyway :D

      However you forgot about Superhot VR for Vive as well as other oculus games that made it to Vive as well as Bethesda games so you gotta be more specific in your insult because youre dissing Oculus games too especially games like Raw Data, etc. Hell, you’re dissing Bethesda games as well.

      So edit that post of yours, so your insult actually stings.

      Have a nice day :D

    • Get Schwifty!

      Dude – I understand how you feel, but fanboy-ism is bad either way. Just because some owners of Vive are childish pricks doesn’t mean you have to be one as well.

      I have actually spoken with two or three Vive owners who didn’t fall into this category :-)

      PS: That’s a joke people.

    • HybridEnergy

      The best thing about Revive and the VIVE is showing VIVE owners that they have made the proper purchasing decision. The first thing that hits you in the face when you use REVIVE and the “Great” Oculus games is the limitations of RIFT itself…because you know, we all love being constantly told in games to “TURN AROUND” and everything like Wilson’s Heart tell us to go back to our space.

    • yag

      Please don’t provoke the fanboys, just block them.

    • The Pet Cow

      You’d be acting the exact same way if the headset you invested a few hundred dollars on didn’t work on Steam and you were locked out of content because of a brand name.

      And let me tell you something, asshole, Steam is not full of a bunch of crapy tech demos. I bet if we looked at your Steam account, you probably own a bunch of them.

      You fit in perfectly with Oculus, you’re a wannabe entitled prick.

  • Robbie DeRoo

    The plot thickens! From this decision alone, I have decided not to write him off. I feel this is a big step forward in not only redeeming himself but in thumbing his nose to the already archaic notion of exclusivity. Now, to work on his political leanings. I think the biggest take away from this is: Evolve or die.

    • Get Schwifty!

      LOL – do you really think the Left has all the lock on political thought? How childishly arrogant…. but I should not be surprised given the two-dimensional education system and lack of awareness we have these days.

      The demographic reality is the world is becoming significantly more (not less) religious by virtually every study and by definition more “conservative”, whether you are talking Christian or it’s mirror opposite partner Islam for instance. This means the world is becoming inherently more “conservative” as you would say, not liberal. So, given the facts of the matter, Evolve or die ;-)

  • Jeff Recobs

    LOL I personally don’t like his politics and think he’s made some questionable decisions, but hey you know what? The guy got fat paid and went to market with his product. Can’t really fault him on all that. Cool he decided to do this. Shows maybe he didn’t like some of the shit Oculus proper was getting up to.

    • Get Schwifty!

      Well, if he offended your politics let’s hang ’em high :) Sad really, he got caught doing what thousands (yes, thousands) of other millionaires did on either side of the equation and was pilloried for it. I know the left thinks they have a lock on all political wisdom but the reality is they don’t.

      • TerribleTs

        It seems your stuck on only commenting on the guy’s politics and how unfortunate it is that his name was maligned for associating with Trump. The sad truth is that, yes, many businessmen put their profits/earnings towards their political candidate as is their right to do so. But once that connection becomes public, you run the risk of losing support for your business from those that don’t agree with your political affiliations, that’s the consumers’ right.

        The truth of the matter is, businesses run a real risk of ever showing even a sniff of connection with either political extreme. That risk is losing the clientele that might support the opposite extreme. When you’re selling a product that has squat to do with politics, best to keep political affiliation secret to increase the size of your consumer base. Just common sense, IMO. Only commented because as I scrolled down, I kept seeing your repeated comments. Just thought I’d offer a different perspective.

        • Get Schwifty!

          I Agree – I believe he tried to do that actually and was discovered in the process by “journalist investigation”

          Not sure how on earth you think I can only comment on his politics, I think if you read the breadth of my comments they are all over the place on the issue, even to the fact I don’t like “walled gardens” but I understand why companies feel compelled to do it.

          And I have no problem (though I think its a bit tacky) to boycott companies over an individual’s withing the organization’s politics. But it’s also a cheap attempt to intimidate people into one line of thought – very Orwellian in it ‘s fundamental approach. That being said, that’s the sort of world we live in.

          • TerribleTs

            It was just an observation based on a quick scroll through the comments. But it sounds like we mostly agree.

            Only place I differ is, once I know where my patronage goes, I feel almost obligated to decide if the business’s political choices align…. like I’m voting with my money. I hate that feeling. I had to duck my head when I went to Chik fil A because I hated that it became a political statement (so glad that died down, whew! ). So I can understand consumers who either boycott because they disagree with the politics / quietly step away until the stigma is gone. Or, on the other side, loudly support because they agree / buy the product in secret because they love it so much.

            It’s one of those things that can’t be ignored for a while once it’s known.

          • Get Schwifty!

            You have been raised in a period where EVERYTHING is a political decision thanks to about 40 years of unfortunate identity politics. Sad really when you think about it, it’s not altogether different from life in previous Eastern Bloc countries (my parents-in-law grew up in Communist controlled Czechoslovakia), and my wife was born there. I have heard the stories :)

            I wouldn’t think twice about it, the reason being is the companies more or less support themselves so it’s a falsehood to tie an individuals beliefs to almost anything an individual does.

            Individuals within the companies do NOT represent the company politically any more than my donations to my home owners association do relative to my neighbors political beliefs. I would wager more money was donated to Hillary’s campaign by a collection of Oculus folks that exceeded anything Luckey donated, but since we dont have their names it’s an easily overlooked idea, but the point is support for companies one way or the other has little if anything to do with individuals in most cases.

          • TerribleTs

            Thanks for sharing. That IS a very interesting perspective and something of a new way to look at it.
            I suppose I might be the type to shy away from crossing a picket line. In this new age where I can order in secret online, though, I can feel much more desensitized to other people’s causes outside my own. I do know that I appreciate it much more when I don’t have to associate my tech and gaming publishers/ developers with any politics. If they just manage to keep it secret, there would be nothing to squint my eyes at.
            I’d appreciate staying in my fantasy world when it comes to my geeky hobbies.

        • HybridEnergy

          Oh god, nothing more annoying in the world than these anti trump witch hunts lately. Stupid ass fake media.

          • TerribleTs

            Hmm, depends on if you’re one of those people that only decries ‘fake media’ when the medium in question disagrees with you.
            Anyway, glad to see Palmer Luckey is still supporting vr technology. The circumstances surrounding his leaving Oculus are unfortunate.

          • HybridEnergy

            I only decry it when it’s easy to detect the agenda and the pure non-sense of the topic. The media has become a click bait competitor against one another.

          • TerribleTs

            I just laugh when I detect an agenda, lol

        • brandon9271

          “best to keep political affiliation secret to increase the size of your consumer base. ”
          You might want to let Hollywood in on that little tidbit of info. ;)

          • TerribleTs

            Haha, the same doesn’t apply to Hollywood. The majority of the liberal arts are teaming with liberal democrats, independents, and socialists, my friend.

          • brandon9271

            Oh, I’m well aware of that. :) Even if it weren’t for actors constantly telling us we all have a right to *their* opinions or threatening to kill the president, I’d still hear it daily since i work in set construction. Even centrist and libertarians have to stay “in the closet” in this industry. You can proclaim your affinity for man-boy love but don’t even dare be fiscally conservative!

      • Jeff Recobs

        I’m not easily offended. Just because I don’t agree with something doesn’t mean I can’t agree to disagree. I never claimed any political affiliations, but I do indeed lean left. Not that I find it moral for millionaires on the left to be paying troll farms either. You’re right though, I’ll keep it to myself next time. Sick of these pointless political conversations about who’s right and who isn’t.

  • mrtexasfreedom

    He could have done this anonymously, but didn’t. If his heart was in supporting reVive, then he wouldn’t need to attach his name to the contribution. So, this is a PR effort to befriend the VR community that has already shunned him. Pretty transparent if you ask me. If he wants to demonstrate a genuine change of heart, he needs to donate $2,000 per month to @ironstache campaign for Congress.

    • nebošlo

      Yeah, you don’t speak for the VR community, sorry.

    • Get Schwifty!

      You can look at his use of his name for Revive two ways:

      1) As you said, he’s just doing it to somehow gain stature with the “VR Community”. Do you honestly think he is so weak emotionally he lays awake at night worrying what a bunch of early adopters think about him? I doubt that personally but it could be true.

      2) He never agreed with the so-called “walled garden” decision and now that he is out and from under Oculus/FB he can resume his normal, previous support for “Open VR”.

      If you look at _all_ the evidence, this support is inline with all his previous statements on the matter prior to the decision by a company he no longer owned. The reality is he recognizes his name and image associated with VR do carry weight even now, and since he believes in a more open VR world, this is probably only the first gesture.

      Your accusations are like those that attacked Bill Gates and others when he let it be known he intended to give away virtually all his money. No matter how much good it did, since they guy ever did something you don’t like on the way up there is no forgiveness and appreciation of the good now being done. If you know these kinds of people they are definitely NOT people who walk around with their heads hung low worrying what everyone thinks about them in their decisions, rather they tend to do what they feel is correct.

    • Kev

      wth? ironstache has *zero to do with VR, it’s a totally political thing. You have lost your mind. So PL has to become a liberal to get your VR support – wth?? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here.

    • Andrew Jakobs

      donating money for someone’s campaign to get into congress? please stop this political bullshit, because you are a fan of @ironstache doesn’t mean everybody has to.

  • Max Cheung

    maybe he wants to get suited AGAIN

  • nebošlo

    Good. Shows what his true stance on this issue was even back when he was at Oculus/Facebook. Walled garden decision was obviously a higher-up initiative.

    • NooYawker

      He loves tech and anyone who does is always in favor of open platforms. But he got bought for a lot of money and people change their tune for the promise of more profits down the line. Now that he’s no longer at oculus, he can do whatever he wants, he doesn’t have to be loyal to anyone. Also possibly his departure wasn’t as friendly as they claim. The founders of Google one believed in “Don’t be Evil”, billions of dollars later they dropped that mantra.

      • Mike

        I’m pretty sure Google didn’t drop their mantra.
        They just removed the word “don’t”.

        • Raphael

          Haha!

      • crim3

        Google is no longer willing to provide a service to internet users. For the past… I don’t know, 10 years? their plan is to own internet users, like all the big names in internet.

  • Sch@dows

    Well, Palmer did say before the Rift was launched that he didn’t care which headset people were using to play their (Oculus founded) games, as long as they buy it on their platform.

    That move supports his earlier statement.

    • Get Schwifty!

      Yep – I wasn’t surprised at a all at a move like this by Palmer. He as an individual is not the company – despite the haters attempts to malign everything in one package his stance never really changed. Guilt-by-association politics is a real problem in this country right now.

      • NooYawker

        He’s the founder of the company. The company did get bought out but I don’t think assuming the founder took part in the decision making process is out of line. Profits has a way of changing people.

        • Get Schwifty!

          Except that it took place after it left his hands and he was no longer in an effective executive position. If he still reigned as president and CEO at that time I would agree.

  • Me

    Wait, what ? I must still be drunk.

  • Joe Black

    I’m in favor of anything opposed to proprietary BS. The market is big enough. Plan right and make good stuff and you will make your money.

    • ummm…

      but at the same time that strategy doesn’t always work for companies that invest sizable amounts. or its to risky for their shareholders in the current culture.

      • Joe Black

        That’s where planning comes in. There’s no point spending a fortune on products without a proven demand.

        • ummm…

          demand is manufactured when you are talking about luxury consumer products. manufactoring that demand costs money. use value is not what we operate on. value is created in a capitalist society by marketing and culture.

          • Joe Black

            Which is fair. But to try and run such a product within a proprietary walled garden was never going to be easy. Apple got away with it because it was one of the founders of the PC era. Oculus’s attempts to keep their hands cupped over their flame is not interesting to me personally as someone who wants to get into VR. For instance I picked up a GearVR which was on special in the hope that I could play SteamVR games on it, but no. I own a perfectly good PC, and a perfectly good Samsung phone, and I have great wifi at home, and the GearVR has perfectly good lenses and USB connectivity – But Oculus wants me to play in their little toy box. No… It bores me.

          • ummm…

            Sure I don’t like it. But it’s their right to be that way. Also, who “founded the PC era”. I really hope you don’t mean Facebook. I was on a scial network in the early 90s. It was called prodigy.

          • Joe Black

            Nah I’m not talking about what their rights are. I’m talking about what I, as a consumer, like.

            I’m talking about Apple. They along with microsoft-IBM ushered in the real PC era.

          • ummm…

            In what decade?

          • Joe Black

            Apple started with more or less modern personal computers in the late 70s and both them and Microsoft-IBM took it forward significantly in the early 80s. Why are you asking me? The info is freely available.

          • ummm…

            sorry for some reason when i look at the thread i can’t find the comment where it gave me the impression that you though apple and facebook in the early to mid aughts had brought about the PC era. I was just asking questions so that I can make sure we both had a view to a longer history of the PC.

            A bit patronizing on my part, but these days you can never be to sure. In my mid 30s im starting to find out that some of what i remember others were too young for. Its scary……

        • dogtato

          Planning is hard though. HTC/Valve probably didn’t tell Facebook their plans so that Facebook could plan accordingly, and that really messed up Oculus’ plans. They weren’t even able to manufacture and deliver Rifts on the new timescale that they were forced on to once HTC started racing them.

  • Dan

    Not sure I follow – The combined monthly income from all patrons on the linked Patreon page is still slightly below $2000 per month. Was he compelled to “reconsider” this pledge, or have I missed something?

    • bschuler

      Patreon takes a %. So $2000 pledge does not equal $2,000.

      • HybridEnergy

        Patreon’s % cut can’t be that large to offset $2000 on already $2000. Surely.

      • Dan

        I assume the other 61(and counting) patrons on there are likely contributing a fair bit more than a couple of dollars between them… or was Revive’s patreon only a recent thing, and really had only clocked up a few dollars before Luckey turned up?

        • Mr. New Vegas

          They reached first goal 100$ on June 28, Palmer paid on June 29.
          Just follow the posts on the patreon page

  • HybridEnergy

    I like it, I think VR is far too early in it’s infancy for exclusives and those debates. I think both, Vive and Oculus users should be able to play each other’s games. I found that Oculus tends to invest in more complete and lengthier experiences such as Chronos, Robo Recall, Wilson’s Heart, and Mage’s Tales. However, with many of the games being literally funded by Rift, I can see how they may object to such practices over all. I just don’t think the VR platform can afford stinginess.

    • ummm…

      vive has no “Games” its just a piece of hardare

      • J.C.

        There are games, but they’re mired in a swamp of tech demos masquerading as games.

        • ummm…

          I’m not happy with some of the quality, bit I have over 100 games and MANY are great, and many are full content that support vr as well.

      • HybridEnergy

        That’s false.

        • ummm…

          how so? the vive suite with the arrow game and such?

  • ChristopherErwinHogan

    Why are people demanding that Oculus allow its games to be played on Vive? I don’t remember anyone demanding to play Super Mario Bros on the Sega System….

    • jack

      Because a Rift is not a hardware platform. It’s a peripheral that runs on a PC. Just like your keyboard and mouse. Imagine a game requiring you to only use Logitech keyboards, and locking out all other keyboard brands. It’s not pro consumer.

      • Mr. New Vegas

        No, you wrong. There is no discussion.
        Whoever PAYS for development, decides where the game go.
        If Oculus paid for a game, they have all the rights to keep it for their clients, same with HTC.
        Its BUSINESS not kindergarten and whos right or wrong, Money talks, nothing more.

        • RFC_VR

          As the old saying goes”You wanna play? You gotta pay….”

        • Cl

          I’d understand if they were store exclusives. They supposedly make no money off selling the headset right? So why make it headset exclusive and not only store exclusive? Thy can sell more of the games if it’s only store exclusive also it helps vr as a whole. I don’t care if they have the right to keep it to themselves. I also have the right to complain they are hurting vr while saying it somehow helps.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            They not hurting VR, without THEIR money no one would make AAA games.
            Just read some articles here on this site, there are not enough VR devices to make AAA games, because even if 100% of PC VR owners buy them, they wont make ANY money.
            So companies like Oculus have to pay for these losses and make good games.
            If they stop paying for the games, you wont see any AAA games at all, and in that case less people will buy VR across all platform and the VR will be doomed.
            They help VR by showing non VR people that there are AAA VR games and you can get them, only on Rift.

          • Cl

            Yea, but cutting off the majority of people who have a VR headset by not allowing any other headset to buy the games hurts VR. Also i wouldnt say noone would make AAA games if it wasnt for oculus…

            “there are not enough VR devices to make AAA games, because even if 100% of PC VR owners buy them, they wont make ANY money.” Exactly. Allowing people with other headsets to buy and use the games from oculus store it would be better for everyone and they would sell more. They said they make no profit off the headset so why are they also limiting the people that can buy from the store? Im arguing against exclusive to headset, not exclusive to store. They can sell more headsets by making the better headset. I dont understand why you say they wouldnt make any money if 100% of pc owners owned a VR headset… maybe if they keep this HMD exclusivity they wont. Are you saying they cant make a good headset and need to force people to buy it with exclusivity or they wont make any money?

        • J.C.

          They’re welcome to do so, yes. But I refuse to use ReVive, as that simply rewards Oculus for not supporting my headset. If they want my money, and they’d be stupid to say they don’t, I expect direct hardware support for my games.

          I’m not sure what their endgame is, honestly. They want to be THE VR store, then they need to support everyone’s hardware. I’d happily rather use Oculus’ curated store than the pile-of-tech-demos that Steam has, but I also don’t want to risk losing access to my games because a third party software injector stops being updated.

          When LG’s headset launches, and it’s not a two-device war anymore, Oculus is gonna feel the pinch first.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            You look at it from the wrong side: Oculus is a Hardware Company First, You should treat them Like Sony and Microsoft Xbox.
            They make Hardware and Finance Software to support and sell MORE hardware, they view Rift and their products as Platform not peripheral.

            P.S. All of this is valid at least now until the sale pick up.
            Right now exclusive games are important for many people (im one of them) and some people choose VR device by price and games, Rift is the cheapest one and has more AAA games released and coming in future.
            Its a damn nice incentive for people, even the 3 people that want room scale, Rift with 3 sensors is still cheaper than Vive and you get Xbox gamepad too which goes for 50$ so thats extra value that you wont have to shill 50 bucks for.

          • J.C.

            You really don’t understand the console ecosystem. Xbox/PS4 hardware doesn’t gain their parent company anything, it’s the profit from the games that they want. Oculus is the same way, you only sell one headset per person, it’s the store that their focus is on. Which is fine! I’ve never been bothered by them having an exclusive-title store.

            Their long term survival is software. Why they aren’t hellbent on supporting as many headsets as possible to facilitate that is what I can’t understand.

            And they ARE a peripheral, not a platform. Consoles have a captive audience, PCs do not. It doesn’t matter what THEY think they are.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            Its you that dont understand: Oculus is NOT a software company, they are HARDWARE company that invested millions into RD and have ongoing projects.
            They want to sell THEIR hardware and they want people to BUY IT.
            Exclusive games are incentives.
            If they were a Software company they wouldn’t need all this hardware headache.
            The ONLY reason they invest money into software is to push more hardware.
            BTW HTC has similar projects that just dont have as much money, but they have their program to finance games.
            Also Fallout 4 VR comes first to HTC and only later to Rift and PSVR

          • J.C.

            Christ, it’s like you have a very short memory, or a selective one. But whatever, your ignorance of how the console market works (and then saying the Rift is a console) clearly shows that you made something up, and are doubling down on it. At this point you’re just raving, there’s no actual discussion here.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            Thats funny, coming from a clueless guy.
            I never said that rift is a console, I said Platform.

            Consoles make money selling games BUT to sell games they need to push hardware and to push hardware you need what??? EXCLUSIVE GAMES
            You need to give people a REASON to buy your hardware.
            When someone buys PS4 for Uncharted or The Last of Us, later he will also buy third party games because he already has a console.
            See its very simple.

            Exclusives are the CARROT, exclusives what drives people to choose YOUR Platform or Console.

          • J.C.

            You literally just contradicted your line about Oculus being a hardware company by comparing them to the console market. It’s all about getting people to buy games from their store, not the hardware.

            Care to get those duckies in a row next time before typing garbage?

          • Mr. New Vegas

            I recommend you a reading comprehension class and economy for noobs.
            BTW if you are a teenager than I can forgive your stupidity.

            Last try, for the most touched of us, if you cant understand this, than you should hide in a dark corner and cry.

            #1: To sell Console software, people need to ACTUALLY OWN the HARDWARE (Imagine that).

            #2: Console manufacturers make most of their money from: Software, add-on services and accessories.

            #3: Number #2 cant exist without Number #1

            (if you didnt understand, take a break and re-read couple of times)

            See its very easy, to sell Software you need to sell lots and lots of Hardware even if you loose money selling Hardware.

            #4 In a world with more than ONE console, Manufacturers need to provide incentives to buyers so they will choose their Hardware.
            Incentives split to three MAIN parts: (there is more than three but thre are the main)

            1. Hardware performance
            2. Exclusive Games
            3. Price

            #5 Sony Finances Multi Million Triple A games as INCENTIVE:
            Hey people look we have Uncharted, The Last of Us, HZ:D, God of War and much more, COME BUY OUR CONSOLE.MORE SOLD CONSOLES MORE POTENTIAL CLIENTS FOR SOFTWARE.

            #6 Everything above was an example, I haven’t Mentioned Oculus YET, you see, so dont put words in my mouth.

            #7 So whats the conclusion? Without Hardware you cant use and buy software.
            Oculus uses Console strategy to sell MORE HARDWARE, NOT SOFTWARE.
            Selling Software is not on their priority because Rift is NOT a Console but a Platform.

            Do you understand the difference?

            On Consoles every game sold shares revenue with Sony.
            On open Platform there is no revenue sharing if software was sold by a third part and it wasn’t published by Oculus.

            Oculus is a HARDWARE company, they want to sell more Rift devices, software is not their priority, they PAY to develop games as INCENTIVE.

            Imagine new buyer choosing a new HMD, both have almost identical spec, the main difference is in controllers, price and SOFTWARE.
            Vive has tons of demos and indie games, but Rift has EXCLUSIVE AAA Game that you can ONLY play on the Rift.

            P.S. Learn to lose an argument with dignity, dont be pathetic loser thats immature.

          • J.C.

            So, when The Oculus launched, and it was very plainly stated that they’re only breaking even on the headsets, you wanna explain how the headset is their primary income focus?

            https://techcrunch.com/2016/01/06/oculus-co-founder-confirms-the-rift-will-be-sold-at-cost/

            Dunno if I can post links in here, if there isn’t one, the software scraped it out. It’s a link to an article with Oculus saying they’re selling the headsets at cost. That’s from Oculus employees. Where’s YOUR proof they’re focusing on hardware for their income?

          • Mr. New Vegas

            Did you know that every console company starts selling new consoles at loss? (Except Nintendo, their management are pensioner age old Japanese guys so they must make money from day one no matter what and thats why all their consoles use cheap outdated hardware).
            All Sony and MS consoles were Initially sold at loss, even Xbox One X will be sold at loss, they already admitted to it.

            Each console generation they (sort of) restating the brand.
            PS2 sold tens of millions more than Xbox, but in the next generation x360 was leading but this generation PS4 is leading.
            Each brand holds itself on their fanboys and spreading the word by the fanboys and advertising, its cars, consoles, even dishing machines, housewives tell others how this is simply the best and they go and buy one too, there are market leaders in everything, the market is not equally divided, be it cameras, air conditioners etc, people chose one brand more than others.

            Because VR gaming and VR in general is new market, they are using their money reserves to build the VR market and Oculus Brand. (Best price, best AAA games available ONLY on Oculus)

            There is possibility that everything they do in Gen1 comes at loss: Hardware is sold at base value, plus investment into game development.

            They build both the market and the brand, so when CR becomes common place people will choose their brand.

            HTC coming with HMD device ruined their plans, they had the lead and supposed to be the first and only brand at least for a big stretch of time until others pick up, but HTC coming late and yet being able to deliver a product in same time frame and it became popular ruined their plans.
            Right now the worst offender is PSVR, it sold more than all PC HMDs combined, it has exclusive games and i seen a poll published here or another VR site, that regular non VR public know samsungVR and than PSVR as brand names, Oculus and HTC were at the bottom by a large margin and eve worse when asked what do you want to buy PSVR was first.

            If it goes planned when next generation comes people might choose Oculus because they will know the brand as the one with good exclusive games that no one has and best price.

        • The Pet Cow

          You’re a fucking troll aren’t you?

          I bet you’d be screaming and yelling if you owned a Rift and HTC / Valve blocked your platform.

          It’s like your politics – You’re okay with everything as long as your not the one being inconvenienced – But the first time something doesn’t go your way, you find someone to blame and cry about it.

          • Mr. New Vegas

            You can keep betting, Im mature enough not to throw a temper tantrum when I cant get a game.
            Actually, During First VR gen I chose PS4PRO and PSVR, PC is getting some nice games and you dont see me starting angry petitions and reddit posts.

            As far as politics go thats why countries have elections, when you dont like something you vote for someone that promises to deliver, you cant have everything: Welcome to the Real world, where you have to work and pay your bills with YOUR hard earned money.
            I know I know its much easier to demand that “1%” pays your bills, because working is a chore.

      • Andrew Jakobs

        HTC could support the Oculus platform if they want to, but they don’t, they also want their own platform and are (maybe through contract) bound to Steam.

        • brandon9271

          But Rift owners can play SteamVR games. The reverse isn’t true. I guess Oculus doesn’t want to take money from Vive owners. Smart move..

          • Andrew Jakobs

            Nor does HTC want their users to be able to use the Oculus store….

          • brandon9271

            HTC is selling hardware. They have no reason to care if Vive owners buy Oculus games and to my knowledge they aren’t doing anything to prevent it.

          • Andrew Jakobs

            HTC got their own store.. They don’t prevent it, nor do they even try to help them with making their vive certified for the OculusSDK (at the moment the only other SDK out there).

          • The Pet Cow

            You need to do some research there bud; the Vive uses the OpenVR SDK, Open meaning that ANY headset can use it.

            Oculus is using their own SDK which is locked to anyone but Oculus using it.

          • Andrew Jakobs

            That’s not actually true, you can use the OculusSDK if you just certify your implementation/headset with it..
            You don’t understand what I’m saying, I’m saying HTC doesn’t want to do that because they already have their own store and are working with valve which ofcourse has steam (which is the only reason why valve made sure there was support for the oculus, as it was the also the first public headset available (DK1/DK2)).

        • ummm…

          what? oculus can be used on steam. can you rephrase?

    • ummm…

      we are demanding it because we can. they aren’t because they can. there is a real reason as to why pc users want their hardware to not be limited. oculus doesn’t want my money, fine. but to say you dont understand why people, and in this case pc users, dont agree is a little dull.

    • crim3

      The games are played on the PC, not the Rift or the Vive, which are input/ouput devices attached to a PC. As PC users, we are not used to the concept of software made for PC that selectively runs or not depending on the brand of the attached devices.

  • Jack Liddon

    Weird, people can be multi-faceted or layered like an onion! Go figure. I can still find Palmer distasteful for his political leanings, doesn’t mean he’s not on the right side of some issues. The world is not so black and white. Fundraising for Ted Cruz…revolting. Creating Oculus Rift…cool!

    • Kev

      Except political stuff has nothing to do with VR. No onion here.

    • ummm…

      did he create the rift?

  • Keep in mind why he did the Kickstarter (assuming it wasn’t for the small amount he originally targeted). Palmer has ALWAYS proclaimed and acted in such a way to get VR in the hands of the masses (as far back as 2012 anyway; when I was emailing him). The single biggest effect ReVive has is to get VR [software] into the hands of more people, at a reduced cost (not needing to buy a Rift).

    To judge him based on what you’ve seen since he became financially secure represents him with the money. If he’s free of Oculus/Facebook legally, why shouldn’t he use some of that money to resume the fight where he sees an opportunity?

  • Gus Bisbal

    When you have $700 million and you give $24k a year that is like being worth $50,000 and giving $0.17 dollars a year. Yes people that is the same proportion. I have bought cars where the monthly repayment was more than this. He gave them the pocket change his washer women finds in his jeans. Don’t praise this as generous.

    • J.C.

      I think it’s more making a statement than “being generous”. Also while your math is proportional, it’s assuming he keeps making $700k a year, which he won’t. Also, keep in mind that $2k is way more than ReVive was making monthly to begin with, so proportionally, he more than doubled their funding.

  • Chugs 1984

    The more i read about Palmer the more i see him as a little bitch b-tard who burns anyone who disagrees with him.

    Rightly or wrongly he took their hundreds of millions. He made his deals and commitments. I’d be really worried about going into business with Lucky because of the ease that he just breaks deals and then goes and burns his former business partners.

    Sounds like he read a page out of Trump’s ridiculous book (the chapter titled revenge)