Pimax today updated their “8K” headset Kickstarter page to announce that pre-production units of the 200 field of view headset, dubbed M1, will be shipping to a handful of closed beta testers this month. The company says 10 of the Pimax 8K testing units will go out in total, which will proceed the general launch to backers.

Following a lens design issue that delayed the release of M1 to testers last month, Pimax is finally getting their promised pre-production “8K” VR headset out the door. Pimax said previously that beta testers would be picked from a pool of Kickstarter backers that were ‘trusted community leaders, professional reviewer, or both.’, likely gunning for the highest social media presence possible.

Pimax “8K” features dual 3,840 × 2,160 resolution panels, one per eye, boasting a 200 degree field of view.

The company says its latest update “we are very confident about M1. The plan is to start the shipments [to general backers] in June if the testers give the green light. As always, we will take the suggestions from the community into consideration to finalize Pimax 8K.”

Pimax “8K” V5 prototype | Photo by Road to VR

Both the “8K” and “5K” headsets are slated to ship in the same time frame, the company says. Pimax maintains that “8K is stable at 80Hz,” and that the team is still trying to improve the refresh rate. “The worst case is 80Hz when we start to ship. 5K can reach 90Hz,” Pimax says.

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As for the headset’s ergonomic controllers, the company says working prototypes will be ready in June/July, slated for a Q4 shipping window.

image courtesy Pimax

The company states that accompanying Lighthouse base stations will ship in October, and their own optical tracking, dubbed, Pi-tracking is still in testing however.

As for the many modules promised to backers, which includes things such as hand-tracking, eye-tracking, inside-out tracking, wireless transmitter, and scent simulation modules, the company says their top priority are both hand-tracking and eye-tracking modules.

While you wait for “8K” final impressions from selected beta testers, check out our hands-on with the latest publicly shown prototype at CES this year.

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  • Rob

    I think this is a little ridiculous. Current video cards will not be able to run anything at those resolutions. This could hurt the VR industry more than help it… mainly due to people trying this product and getting horrible frame rates and performance.

    • Who’s this?

      It’s being upscaled. Current video cards can push 2x1440p just fine.

      • Yet Another Opera Lover

        Yep, this is about eliminating the screen door effect, not pushing 4K x 2 resolutions (though I’d imagine the SLI GTX 1080 Ti could do it for both games that support the feature).

        All that said, did they ever fix the FoV geometry warping issues? That’s the biggest problem I’d like to see an update on.

        • NooYawker

          I wonder why SLI seems to be abandoned by game devs.

          • JJ

            lol not to mention the refresh rate is still below the industry standard and people act like thats not a big deal when really it is.

            I like to point out how Yet Another Opera Lover correctly mentioned 4k X 2. yet the pimax is called 8k :(

            lol I thought it was common knowledge that 8k is NOT 4K x 2 its actually 4K x 4 and its pretty shitty of pimax to say 8k. Its the same as if we had an 8k wide display that was only 1 pixel tall and calling it 8k. Just like the pimax which is 8k wide but only half as tall as normal displays. This is because it is two 4k monitors and 8K would be 4 4K monitors.

            This is a dead on arrival headset, some will buy it, but itll be quickly forgotten. You’d need the best graphics card out there to barely run this and they seem to have forgotten how hard it is to get an affordable high end gpu on the market today, further reducing who will be able to run this.

          • VRStrix

            When you talk its like theres a constant log of shit coming our your mouth

          • JJ

            um ok? prove me wrong then

          • WhatDownthere

            Yeah they can’t they just like to troll

          • brubble

            Haha man, thanks for the good laugh!

          • ThatOneGuy

            Man if you call that humor I feel bad for you.

          • brubble

            How nice of you, really means a lot.

          • Doodie23

            What he said makes sense, what drugs are you on?

          • jiggy

            I think what he says is right

          • NooYawker

            I had people arguing with me that if I put 2 4K TV’s next to each other I would technically have an 8k TV. This product is using deceptive marketing.

          • jj

            haha thats exactly what theyre doing, its deceptive or they’re just dumb

          • JDawg

            Except that 8K literally comes from the horizontal resolution. 16:9 ratios were just originally assumed for TVs. I don’t think it’s false marketing to call it 8K but it definitely is gonna be confusing for some consumers.

          • JJ

            nah thats an industry standard so thats false marketing

          • NooYawker

            It’s flat out bullshit to call this 8k

          • johngrimoldy

            Yes, it’s bullshit deceptive to call this 8K and they’ll pay the price later. If I don’t see 8K of resolution when I close one eye, then it ain’t 8K. When I look at my 4K TV, each eye is getting 4K!

          • Graham J ⭐️

            It’s just a name, who cares. Xbox 360 doesn’t have 360 of anything. Whatever. Anyone buying this knows its resolution.

            “4k stereo” doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.

          • JJ

            lol its just a name? the main selling point is the 8K feature that they dont have. the xbox 360 wasnt saying they could do anything 360 related…. if it were an Xbox 8K and they said they had 8K but didn’t everyone would shit their pants.

            its that simple if you cannot see that then you’re just trolling

          • Graham J ⭐️

            the main selling point is the 8K feature that they dont have

            That is a non sequitur. You find me a single person who is backing because they believe it’s an 8k stereo headset – hell, anyone at all who believes that at all – and I’ll say you were right. But you won’t because everyone knows they named it based on total horizontal resolution, just like they did with the 5k.

            Clearly you think that’s disingenuous but it doesn’t matter what you think – that IS the name and it should be used properly.

          • FireAndTheVoid

            My understanding is that it doesn’t scale very well – two GPUs don’t give twice the performance of a single GPU. Instead it is somewhere around 30-40% more performance. This is because some of what is involved in rendering for one eye can be reused for the second. NVidia VRWorks supports SLI setups but only a handful of games enabled support for it. Even if it doesn’t scale perfectly, I would still appreciate the option.

          • Icebeat

            sure, pay double price for a 30% bump in performance….

          • NooYawker

            People do. It’s the only way to get decent frame rate playing a 4k game.

          • Yet Another Opera Lover

            Mostly ‘cause it’s buggy af and not platform agnostic. There’s no trivial way to add VR SLI support to both AMD and Nvidia cards in One fell swoop.

        • Adrian Meredith

          yes that was only in the v early prototypes which for some insane reason they gave to people like tested who are quite big. They have no clue about marketing they did the same thing at ces

        • ArSh

          SLI can certainly push dual 1440p resolutions (I already supersample beyond that on my 1080s on the VR titles that support SLI). People whining about it not being 8K or even 2x4K have failed to consider the bandwidth implications. Try running 2 x 4K x 90Hz over a single DP cable over long distance (you’d need at least two heavy DP cables). And then try it over wireless (even with compression it starts getting expensive). There are other hardware limitations to overcome besides just GPU rendering speed.

      • FireAndTheVoid

        I would also add that the upscaling is happening onboard the headset, so there is no additional computation required from the graphics card.

        • Icebeat

          yeah, it will only cost 10 Hz, (instead of 90Hz, the Pimax refresh rate will be 80HZ)

      • Andrew Jakobs

        No they don’t unless you’re referring to the highend cards, the 1080’s etc.

  • NooYawker

    10 people are very excited right now.

    • JJ

      lol right!

  • Andrew Jakobs

    So it’s like the initial release of the HTC Vive Pro, you’ll need a set of basestations already to have actual tracking…………

    • Kryojenix

      For now, yes. They haven’t finalised their base station design and production.
      Later they’ll sell a complete kit and I’d expect they’ll sell the base stations separately as well.

      • Patrick Bradley

        Seems kind of stupid.

        • Kryojenix

          Not really.
          It’s designed to work with SteamVR, so people who already have Vive v1 or v2 Lighthouses can already use the headset with their existing setup.
          If you have eager customers and you can give them what they want, why make them wait until your more universal product is ready?

          I expect even when the full Pimax set is released, they’ll still make available the individual components for sale for anyone that wants to upgrade their existing SteamVR setup.

          • MW

            It is stupid. Because if you have vive you don’t need pimax (if you average Joe). unless you not crapping money. And you can’t just buy lighthouse in nearby shop. So pimax whinout tracking and controllers is useless.

          • Kryojenix

            No, you’re wrong.
            Average Joes bought Oculus Go, or PSVR. Or Oculus Rift if they’re a little above average.
            For Vive owners, Pimax 8K is going to be a fantastic upgrade for those who choose to get one. This matches HTC’s own strategy of offering the Vive Pro headset by itself first for existing owners! Except Pimax 8K is going to be a much bigger upgrade for a proportionally much better price (we hope).

            If you don’t already have SteamVR tracking and controllers, you are not supposed to have bought a Pimax headset only. Anyone who did is … stupid.

          • MW

            Why on earth you assume that ”average Joe” will buy cv1/Vive over pimax?? What’s your point? If he will not get tracking or controllers he will not. That’s my point. But if pimax care about sales numbers, than they should sale entire bundle.

          • dk

            people buying a pimax already have a few headsets

          • MW

            No. You wrong. Very very wrong. I know a lot of people (I’m assure you-homo sapiens) and they are waiting for first good enough looking vr, to buy their first hmd. Because they know that cv1/Vive looks like crap. And pimax may be a game changer for them.

          • dk

            kickstarter with a chinese company that hasn’t made anything of this calibre before ………..only people that r tired of the rift and vive and have additional money to throw away r taking the risk of getting a pimax

          • Kryojenix

            If they’re waiting for Pimax, then they can just wait for the full kit. There’s no reason for Pimax not to release their headset first to upgraders. The point is that the headset is nearly ready, whereas the base stations and controllers are 6-10 months away.

            If someone’s been hanging out for a Pimax kit and can’t wait any longer, then they can just buy a Vive kit (which is much cheaper than it used to be) and a Pimax 8K headset to use in place of the Vive headset (which they may be able to flog as a spare part on eBay)

            Besides, you can’t buy the Pimax headset yet anyway. Only kickstarter backers will get it soon. Then a retail pre-order campaign after that – they’ll likely still offer headset only at an earlier date than the date they can provide the full kit.

            So, it’s not stupid, its customer-focused savvy marketing based on what they are able to provide soon, versus what will take more time.

  • Kryojenix

    Why isn’t this website called “Road” to VR ?

    • JJ

      Because road to vr isn’t making false claims about being or having a road like Pimax is doing by claiming they have 8K resolution when its only 8K wide but 4K tall

      • ArSh

        Are 4K monitors actually 4K? Hint: no.

        • kjfhj

          what?? lol yes they are by the industry standard which pimax does not abide by

          • Kryojenix

            Neh mate, 4K is 4096×2160, but most “4K” monitors are just UHD 3840×2160.

      • Jistuce

        It isn’t 4k tall. It’s 2160 tall. 2k if you need it shaved to as few characters as possible.

  • Arturs Gerskovics

    I wouldnt mind Pimax controllers for a start… hope they sell them seperate

    • Kryojenix

      They probably will. They’re not coming until next year probably though.

  • Kryojenix

    “Road” to VR

    • Graham J ⭐️

      lol seriously… there is no road, better use quotes!

    • Kenji Fujimori

      Road to my ass

  • Lucidfeuer

    The fuck is your problem with quotes, are you a paid PR or something?

    • Graham J ⭐️

      Not at all. It bothers me that Scott here has a problem with the names of some VR products and uses quotes to disparage them every chance he gets. It’s unprofessional.

      • Lancelot

        Pimax has named their product after a resolution which it does not have. Think about that slowly. If Samsung were selling their “4k Smart-Tv” with a 1080p display, and a person writing an article about it called it Samsung’s ‘”4K” Smart-TV’, would you be leaving half a dozen messages about how it bothers you that the author would be unprofessionally disparaging like that? These posts gush bias.

        • Graham J ⭐️

          Nothing about 1080p is 4k. The Pimax does have ~8k pixels horizontally. It could be misleading, it could be intentional, I don’t know. But their product is theirs to name and it’s unprofessional for a journalist to use it improperly, that’s all I’m saying.

          I don’t work in the industry, have no stake in Pimax and am not a backer. I’m quite happy with my Vive. That doesn’t preclude me from pointing out journalistic errors.

          • PL

            This isn’t a journalistic error. It is a journalistic choice, and an entirely reasonable one.

            Firstly, there is a fundamental problem with the name of this product, and it’s not just because it’s misleading. They have named the product after a technical term and NOTHING else, which could be argued isn’t a valid name at all. How many tech products can you think of where the only defining part of the name is just a relevant technical term? It hardly ever happens – there is almost always another word or code.

            Then there is the misleading part. It IS misleading, there’s no “could be” about it. “8K” is not even a valid way of describing its horizontal pixel count. The hardware is only capable of 2560×1440 upscaled per display. So this horizontal pixel count of 7680 can only ever show 5120.

            Can you imagine the backlash of any respected TV manufacturer creating a TV with a 4K panel that could only display a 2560×1440 signal and giving it the SINGLE name of “*CompanyName* 4K”?

            You can be sure that a ton of journalists would also start putting that 4K in quotes.

          • Raphael

            You mean like audio amps with 1500w peak output when in actual fact they were less than 100 watts? There is no backlash aside from boring idiots who have nothing of interest going on in their lives so they bitch endlessly about the naming of a VR product. You are a boring twat! So fecking boring!

          • JJ

            wow raphael… i don’t think you should end an argument with personal attacks. it shows how defensive you’re being when proved wrong. Multiple people have commented back at you countering what you said and all you can do is call them boring twats…

          • Raphael

            I agree with you on the name-calling. Disagree on the “proved wrong”. Pimax 8k… it’s not really 8k… even pimax have stated that. Do we really need to take legal action to get them to rename it? Do we need therapy to get over the anxiety caused by “8k”? If anything this has inspired me to create my own custom VR headset and name it “custard pi 16k”. I can tell you right now it won’t even offer 8k displays.

          • Graham J ⭐️

            You’re suggesting that the rules of English grammar with respect to product names are dependent on the author’s judgement about the validity of said name. This is incorrect.

            If quotes were needed in the headline, which they are not in this case, the correct use would be to put them around the entire name, not just a portion of it. That is true regardless of what you or he think of the validity of the name.

            But, since you seem to want to discuss the validity of the name for some reason, there are in fact a total of ~8k pixels across the two displays and each one is addressable by the display driver chip. Clearly they were basing the product name on the display resolution rather than signal input capability.

            Note that the “Pimax 8KX” also has ~8k pixels across yet has different input specifications.

  • Peter Laurent

    Only if we agree to also use:
    HTC Vive “Pro”
    Windows “Mixed Reality” Headset
    Oculus “Rift”

    • Graham J ⭐️

      ha, actually he does do it for WMR but not “Pro” as I’ve pointed out to him before.

  • MarquisDeSang

    Pi max : Upscale to 8k & Upstretch 220 degrees

    • theonlyrealconan

      It is not even native 4k per eye.

      • Konchu

        That depends on the version. There are 2 one that needs a godly PC dual inputs that run native res and the 8K that upscales. I went with that one cause I want to be able to play games on it with spending 4k on a video cards. :)

        • JustNiz

          You made a good choice. Stuff like Elite:Dangerous and Fallout4VR on the 8KX will basically be a nausea-inducing slideshow no matter what GPU you have, at least for the next 2+ years. Also, the ratio of 1440p to 4K isn’t that high, which means that upscaling can do a great job of filling in, so in actual use there will be hardy any, if any, noticeable visual difference between the 8K and the 8KX.

    • JJ

      Damn Marquis/jean we found something we agree on!! today’s a good day

    • Graham J ⭐️

      Actually it’s upscaling to 4k stereo.

    • Raphael

      What are you actually complaining about? The image clarity far exceeds Vive and rift and the FOV too.

      • MarquisDeSang

        I will believe when I see it running real VR games like Skyrim and not just fruit ninja. It reminds me of Xbox One X strong specs numbers that failed to materialized anything of value in reality. Xbox One X is not powerful enough for VR contrary to trusty old PS4.

        • Raphael

          Considering you seem to hang-out at R2VR you don’t seem to keep up with tech progress. Pimax has been used with DCS World to start with and that makes skyrim look like kiddy stuff.

          • MarquisDeSang

            Ok ok. I trust you old friend. I believe what you are saying and will wait for the reviews before talking bull… I am sad because I don’t have a 1080ti to run it.

          • Raphael

            It seems the biggest issues they’re having have been creating a seamless image in each eye from the multiple displays.

            I’d also like a 1080Ti… I’m using an overclocked 1070. Most VR games don’t even make full use of a GTX 1000 series GPU.

            Ever tried Raw Data, Serious Sam VR, Eve Valkyrie? All make use of VRworks giving you full performance. On Raw Data I can max out the graphics and still have smooth gameplay. I wish it was compulsory for game developers to use VRworks or Nvdia could makeit work without relying on devs to add code.

          • JustNiz

            Yep its true that some people’s rigs will be too ghetto for it. If you want the best you have to pay to play. Blaming Pimax 8K for that is like blaming Ferrari that their cars are too fast to be affordable. The upside is that your GPU actually only has to hit 1440p X2 @ 80HZ, since the 8K upscales the resolution in hardware. People buying the 8KX (the native 2x4K version) are stupid and deluding themselves that there will even be a GPU in existence that can handle it in the next say 2 years at least. Stuff like Elite:Dangerous and Fallout4VR on the 8KX will basically be a nausea-inducing slideshow.

        • JustNiz

          > I will believe when I see it running real VR games like Skyrim and not just fruit ninja.

          You mean like these? (and this is just the V5 prototype which has already been improved on) :
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxwsL64GhSU
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCsS-2Ftd-8
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFuzrmxEoyk

  • nipple_pinchy

    I’m hyped. I’ve got an Odyssey and love it but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t like an expanded FOV and ever better resolution.

  • MW

    Let me guess. Final product (full bundle) to buy in q2 2019 for 800-1000usd. So much for a hype. Am’i wrong?

  • nipple_pinchy

    I’m hyped. I’ve got an Odyssey and love it but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t like an expanded FOV and ever better resolution.

  • theonlyrealconan

    You should be honest and tell people that it is not even native 4k per eye. Shame on you.

    At least you put the 8k in quotes.

    • JJ

      Thank you!

    • Sandy Wich

      And Sony shouldn’t have called the PRO a 4k device during it’s reveal 20-30 times in an hour.

      Nintendo shouldn’t have hyped virtual console before Switch release just to get people excited for portable classics on the go, then drop the service outright for a rental program.

      Microsoft sh-

      Lol.

      Microsoft shouldn’t have been born.

      • JustNiz

        > Microsoft shouldn’t have been born.

        I wish. Computers in general would be decades further ahead, and people wouldn’t ever have gotten to the point where they just silently accept that buggy, insecure software is somehow the norm, and someone other than them actually owns their computer.

    • Joe

      Pimax has always very clearly stated that it’s “only” 4k per eye. As there is no accepted industry standards for VR resolutions, it is perfectly acceptable for them to call it the 8k as it is 7,680 pixels wide.

      It’s really getting old having people whine, “But, but, but…. It’s not 8k” every single time an article about it gets posted. I’m sorry if you don’t like it, but it is 8k. No quotes required.

      • Raphael

        Yup, I reckon so. Preachy annoying muppets.

      • JustNiz

        Its actually not even true 4k native per eye but upscaled 1440p (2,560 x 1,440) per eye. Even though I’m a backer, I’ve always said that calling that 8K is blatantly false advertising. It still gonna look significantly better than everything else out right now though, including the Vive Pro.

  • JJ

    yeah but its not really 8K so its highlighting that fact

    • Graham J ⭐️

      Obviously, but it’s incorrect to do so.

      • V Zaporozhets

        By the same logic, can I say that my phone has 40 Mp camera resolution? because that’s the total resolution of 2 back and 1 front cameras.

        • Graham J ⭐️

          No because that would be an erroneous description. We’re not talking about descriptions, we’re talking about names.

          • V Zaporozhets

            I’m talking about what you said in the comment that I replied to, not the name. The total resolution is irrelevant to a stereoscopic device, because that’s not how our eyes work. We only care about resolution per eye. Thus, the product name is misleading. If you include spec in the name, that doesn’t suddenly make it Okay.

            >It has ~8k pixels of total horizontal resolution.

          • Graham J ⭐️

            What I was talking about in the comment you replied to was the name. Total resolution does matter because half of it goes to each eye. But I don’t really care whether the name is correct according to anyone in particular, I just think that would-be journalists should follow the rules of English grammar and use quotes properly.

    • Kenji Fujimori

      China..

  • Da Mo (JFlash)

    There feeding the trolls, “Road” to vr is a HTC shill

    • Graham J ⭐️

      hehe pretty much… Go ahead, I use an ad blocker ;)

  • Ted Joseph

    I cant understand all this hate towards Pimax… Any company that pushes the boundary of a product forces others to work harder, and we as customers get the benefit. I am happy that they are pushing for higher res and wider FOV. If they didn’t it would be 5 years before we seen anything from HTC or Oculus with these specs… This will force HTC, Oculus, soon to come Apple, etc. to continue to improve the experience.

    • theonlyrealconan

      It does not help that they call it 8k, when it is not. It is 4k per eye (8k is 4k times 4). And they are not making it clear that it is not even native 4k per eye. It is 1440 upscaled to 4k per eye.

      I wanted to trust them. Until i became a backer, talked with devs on the forum, then canceled when i found out some of the shadey stuff they were doing. So i canceled and will wait for real reviews. (I still want them to succeed, but being smater about it).

    • JustNiz

      Ted I totally agree. There’s lots of clueless morons here either showing their ignorance or totally trolling.

  • LowRezSkyline

    I hope it weighs less than it is huge/ugly.

    Also, good luck being the first kickstarter that isn’t late as fuck and disappointing as fuck.

    Remember you can’t fax glitter… not with that attitude! Not with any attitude!

  • James Krisvoy

    Is it going to work with 3D blu ray?

  • Sandy Wich

    Well, it’s time to see how it does.

    Do I buy the biggest and best VR headset of all time, that’ll trade blows with all other VR for 3+ years to come?

    …Or will it suck?

    ….Hmm……

    • asdf

      I’d make a bet with you it wont trade blows with VR for three years. All it has is fake 4K and thatll be surpassed within a1.5 years. I’m willing to bet

  • Kenji Fujimori

    Why are publications still pimping this out to be `8K` when it clearly obvious it is 4k x 4k Chinese crap

  • Kenji Fujimori

    Looking like a freaken alien with that piece of shit Chinese crap

  • Kenji Fujimori

    Looking like a damn alien weirdo with bullshit marketing `8K` out their ass

  • JustNiz

    Bullshit headline. Pimax didn’t hard commit to June. Scott please be professional enough to report on what they actually said and not reinterpret it for clickbait/drama purposes.

  • EditorTom

    What software will this be able to run? Will users have access to Steam titles?